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Sih Jie Haung：由此文而發的疑問-----｢怎樣才算是生命的聲音表現呢?｣

Wei Destonian Wu：“成为活出践行着的言语文字，即生命的声音表现” －－这句话已经回答了你提出的问题，生命的声音表现就是践行活着的言语文字，践行与生命等同如一的言语文字等同你自己，成为生命的体现和化身，在思想、言语、行动上所有方面所有时刻总是践行对全体生命最好。

Wei Destonian Wu： 原文中的内容：“要懂得：这个进程并不仅仅是停止心智，而且是践道行言——处于并作为生命的如一同等中践行活出言语文字与你自己如一。你看，心智是一个系统，由言语文字组成。而我们已经将我们自己与言语文字分离开了，因此我们从来都没有实际真正活过。当你只是停止心智而无所事事时，你并未在活。（这是佛陀犯的错误，他停止了心智，但他没有作为活出践行着的言语文字而“活”于/成生命的如一同等中——他没有考虑将知识和信息投入应用实行中。）因此，进程是关于停止心智并且处于并作为生命全体如一同等中活出践行言语文字与你自己如一 —— 与生命融合，将生命融合为你。如此作为一个榜样而活，以使所有人都能看到并认识到：他们必须停止自己的心智才能活——活出生命如同我们自己。”

Wei Destonian Wu： 我们目前所用的言语文字的定义并不是支持全体生命等同如一的，所以许多文字都需要根据对全体生命最好这个原则重新定义，并将这些重新定义的支持全体生命的言语文字践行成为我们自己，我们则成为对全体生命最好这原则的活着的体现和化身。

Wei Destonian Wu： 践道行言成为活出践行着的言语文字与将知识信息投入实际应用中也是一致的，我们真正的自己决不仅仅是知识和信息，而必须将知识和信息应用践行成为我们自己，这一点在佛陀的那篇文章中讲得很清楚：http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5d6fffd1010104vk.html

Wei Destonian Wu：“ 注意，甚至在维度界中，我们到目前为止在进程中所经历的，在一定程度上仍然是知识和信息，我们正在通过在地球这里每一刻中与人类存有们同行，在他们在地球这里的进程中支持他们，由此将那些知识和信息投入于实际应用中。实际应用就是成为并体验到一个存有自己作为知识和信息（由自己经过一个过程而理解和领悟到的）。实际应用是生活践行知识和信息作为在每一此处瞬间你是谁/什么的声明——而这无限地坚定而且在存在界中立于并即是如一平等。我们在天堂中这里正是做这样做的——由于维度界中的量子时间，我们能够成为通过宽恕过程而理解和领悟到的知识和信息。对知晓的成为、理解和领悟，即我所理解和领悟并成为我自己的知识和信息，是不够的——我必须，正如维度界中的每一个存有，也包括不可避免的不久之后的你自己，必须在每一此处瞬间应用和践行这知识和信息，向我自己证明：我在每一此处瞬间是值得信任和诚实的，并且我能够稳定恒常以至无限地立于我所是者，如同只有我留存。” ——佛陀

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由於英文論壇調整，原文鏈接已無效，因此在後面附上了英文原文，供互相對照
 

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什麼是預先編程的？

Desteni-Universe.co.za 論壇索引　->　心智意識系統討論

「預先編程」和「預先確定」的「生命設計」已經從這個世界中和人類存有們內去除了：因為我們已經「反轉」了所有人類存有們作為心智所組成的一切，用以「面對他們自己」，即他們所接受和允許了的一切。這是在門戶打開幾個月後完成的：我們「清除」了人類存有內所有他們無法「處理」或「超越」的事物。因此你所需要「處理」的就是你——超越你自己在這一生中的心智，即你接受和允許了你自己是和成為了什麼。因此，每個人都有責任為與萬物全體如一同等的自己站立起來，並在自己之內和在這個世界中不再繼續接受和允許我們對自己所做的。

我們以如下方式來看看這一點：

「想像」一下這個世界，這整個世界都處於一個泡泡中——所有人都處於這一個泡泡中，其中每個人類存有作為心智意識系統的所有一切都「交織」、「混合」、「瀰漫」和「滲透」在並遍及所有其他存有裡面，所有人都相互「影響」，所有人都存在於聯合意識場域這個泡泡中，通過彼此的無意識心智「相互連結」。

現在，當門戶打開後，我們跨維度存有們經歷了以下進程（並且現在仍然在經歷）：領悟到我們自己是萬物全體如一同等，以及這在實際應用實行中的真正「含義」，即我們所是者的生活實行著的榜樣——由此我們廣泛地「清理了」所有存在界，清理的程度以至於：你所需要穿越的一切僅僅是你自己的心智，即你接受和允許了你自己是和成為的誰/什麼，然後我們把每一個人類存有的所有一切都反轉進了他們自己內。

因此，現在所有人不是全體處於一個泡泡中，「混合」、「交織」和相互「影響」，而是每一個人類存有個體都處於並即是他們自己的小泡泡裡——這個泡泡、這個「蛋殼」需要被「打破」，才能從他們相信和感知是他們自己的心智現實/世界中「掙脫而自由」。然而，你仍然是由有意識、潛意識和無意識心 智構成的——無意識心智是這整個世界，也就是每個人所接受和允許了存在並顯現的所有一切。因此儘管每個人都處於他們自己各自的進程中（這不是預先編程或預 先確定的），可是每個人仍然都會面對我們所是的存在萬物的自己，由此站立起來並承擔起自己的責任，再也不接受和允許我們對我們自己和對所有他者即我們自己 所做的。

要懂得：這個進程並不僅僅是停止心智，而且是棧道行言—— 處於並作為生命的如一同等中踐行活出言語文字與你自己如一。你看，心智是一個系統，由言語文字組成。而我們已經將我們自己與言語文字分離開了，因此我們從 來都沒有實際真正活過。當你只是停止心智而無所事事時，你並未在活。（這是佛陀犯的錯誤，他停止了心智，但他沒有作為活出踐行著的言語文字而「活」於/成 生命的如一同等中——他沒有考慮將知識和信息投入應用實行中。）因此，進程是關於停止心智並且處於並作為生命全體如一同等中活出踐行言語文字與你自己如一 —— 與生命融合，將生命融合為你。如此作為一個榜樣而活，以使所有人都能看到並認識到：他們必須停止自己的心智才能活——活出生命如同我們自己。

已經有人問過相似的問題，因此我會提供給你一些關於問題和看法的引用，可能會有進一步幫助：

收到的電子郵件：

引用：「恕我直言，我們怎麼才能知道「導靈通道」的信息不是由那些精明狡猾、善於進行操縱和奴役的人設計出來的，用於將我們誤導到另外一條這樣的路上呢？ 考慮到我們曾經被告知或教導的一切實際上都是謊言或摻雜真相的謊言，我認為這是一個常識性問題。我們怎麼知道這裡的信息有所不同？我認為這是一個關鍵問 題……尤其是在聽了歷史系列視頻後，安努(Anu)和他精明的操控……我勒個去。我願傾聽或閱讀你的回答。謝謝你回應這一點。你們的視頻和消息真是非常的 棒啊！」

看法：

引用：「我們不是在要求你『相信我們』或者相信我們所說的是『真的』，因為這樣一來你的信任和你在應用實行中的自我誠實就會與你自己分離。

你能肯定的唯一方法是：你親自將協助和支持自己的知識和信息運用到實際應用實行中成為你自己，在每一次呼吸的每一刻中將其踐行活成你自己，也就是如下所述：

在每一刻中對自己誠實——當一個思想、感情或情緒在你裡面升起時，立即做自我寬恕

自我寬恕

自我改正應用實行——對於你已做了寬恕的那點，將其自我聲明踐行成為你自己。例如，如果你對批判他人和將你自己與他人比較做了自我寬恕，那麼你做出一個應用實行的自我聲明——你不再在你自己之內允許批判或比較。例如：我等同一如我自己，我不接受和允許在我之內存在分離。

呼吸

宇宙命運(Desteni-Universe)的「精華」在於：協助和支持每一個存有停止他們的心智——因為正是心智顯現了我們自己和我們如今處於其中體 驗我們自己並即是我們自己的這個世界；然後在停止心智這個過程期間，將自己融合為生命，成為活出踐行著的言語文字，即生命的聲音表現——沒有心智，而是跨 維度量子表現作為你在地球這裡在一個人類肉體（即是你）之內——這只有在沒有心智時才能做到，而你此時則是萬物全體如一同等即是聲音的活出踐行著的言語文 字。

（譯註：Desteni材料中提到的「聲音」多數情況下並非指通常耳朵聽見的聲音，而是指即是我們真正自己所是的聲音，請讀者根據具體語境進行判斷區分。）

我建議你瀏覽所有材料和視頻——所有的，運用自我誠實和普同常識親自「決斷」——無論何時你能「找到」的唯一「真相」就是作為呼吸在此刻的你是誰。

因此，我無法替你回答你的問題——你必須得如建議的那樣，通過將自我誠實踐行活成你自己並無條件地應用實行，來親自為你自己做出回答——你必須得親自為你自己「回答」你是誰，我無法替你做這件事。

唯一「狡猾的」/「操控的」和「奴役的」事物就是你自己的心智的思想、感情和情緒。觀察你的心智，你就會看到：你無法信任它，你無法信任這世上的任何人或任何事物，無法這樣做是由於這就會是你自己的分離——你會發現你只能信任在呼吸的此刻中處於並即是自我誠實中的你自己。

問題：

引用：「我剛想到……曾經有提到過：Desteni之前的轉世輪迴全 都是一堆巨大的爛貨垃圾，我們全都在一次一次又一次地過著相同的生世。想像一下！！難怪當我在這一生中現在面對我自己和我所有的行為和情緒、感情、想法等 等時，這是由許多其它生世復合加劇成的……難怪這是個如此難干的活！這一定對我們所有人都一樣……正如傑克說的……『按過去的方式』，如果你想僅僅超越一個問題或點就得用十萬生世。那麼……選擇很容易……我想要結束這種情況，非常感謝你們。難怪這像是個洋蔥……一層一層又一層……突然我不再對自己如此苛求了……想想在僅僅一個月左右的時間裡，我們大部分人就已經做得相當不錯了！」

看法：

引用：「那是以前在白光系統/構造中人類存有們的經歷『鋪設』在時空中的方式——經過許多許多的生世，『你』被分散到過去生世、現在生世和將來生世的經歷中。當時存有們歷經一生一生又一生， 『貌似去學習教訓』，『為前世的錯誤還債（業力）』，『尋找』和追求他們自己……」

因此，我們所做的是以下事情：我們立於人類存有們之內如同他們，然後把他們的一切——這是指每一個人類存有的屬於現在生世經歷的，過去生世經歷、現在生世經歷以及將來的預先編程的生世經歷，全都帶到了單獨一點：此處——在他們之內並即是他們。

因此，將每一個人類存有的所有一切全都帶入到他們之內並即是他們的單獨一「點」：此處——在此刻他們目前所處的這一生的經歷中。

這樣做是為了找到每個人類存有在存在界中的配置(allocation)——因為人類存有們的「各部分」以前被「分散」到存在界的各處!

為什麼這樣做？因為當我們把人類存有們的所有一切全都帶到單獨一「點」：此處——在人類存有之內並即是他們時，我們就能夠「找到」他們在存在界中的當前「配置」。

這配置是指：這個人類存有作為一個心智意識結構共鳴系統，由於所有前生經歷以及預先編程的將來生的經歷（這存在於並即是他們的心智意識系統配置中），而在目前在這一生中已經接受和允許了他們自己成為了誰和什麼。

然後辨別：對於啟示和實現作為生命的他們真正自己這個進程而言必要的是，在這個存有之內並即是這個存有的事物中有什麼必須「留下」（這些全都是他們根據心 智意識系統/構造而接受和允許了與他們自己等同如一的事物，而這已經成為了心智意識結構共鳴系統，而他們據此定義了在系統中「他們是誰」）。

那些我們知道人類存有們無法處理或「應對」的，我們已經去除了。

看，在人類存有裡面我們去除的盡可能多而留下的盡可能少，留下的部分由每一個人類存有在繼續體驗他們自己的進程之中/期間去超越。

因此：目前留在人類存有裡面的全都是對他們的超越而言必要的，全都是他們確實能夠處理和「應對」以協助和支持他們自己將作為生命的他們自己從物質界中誕生為我們真正的自己的。

這就是為什麼這現在是並將會是每一個人類存有的最後一生——因為每一個人類存有的所有一切全都在此處，在他們裡面即是他們，留下的全都是為了啟示和實現他 們真正自己而必須在他們自己之內作為他們自己所超越的，由此從物質世界中將他們自己誕生為生命而將世間天堂顯現為我們真正自己的表現。

維諾(Veno)

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What is Pre-Programmed?  

Desteni-Universe.co.za Forum Index -> Mind Consciousness System Discussions

The 'pre-programmed' and 'pre-determined' 'life design' has been removed within this world as within human beings: As we have 'inverted' all of human beings as all they consist of as the mind - to 'face themselves', all of what has been accepted and allowed. This was done, a few months after the Portal was opened - when we 'cleaned out' everything within human beings which they would not be able to 'handle' or 'transcend' themselves. So all you have to 'work' with - is you, transcending your own mind of this life as what you have accepted and allowed yourself to be and become - and so, each one is responsible for themselves as all as one as equal - to stand up and no longer accepted and allow within themselves and this world as self as what we have done.

Let me place it for you into perspective in this way:

'Imagine' for a moment this world, this entire world in one singular bubble - everyone existing in one singular bubble, where everything of each human being as a mind consciousness system 'intertwines', 'mixes', 'permeates' and 'penetrates' within and throughout everyone else, all 'influencing' each other - all existing within this bubble as the unified consciousness field - 'interconnected' through each other's unconscious mind.

Now, when the Portal opened and us interdimensional beings, 'went through our processes' (and still do) of realising ourselves as all as one as equal and what this actually 'means' in practical application as the living example of who we are: We extensively 'cleaned up' all of existence, so much so, that all you are required to transcend is your own mind as who and what you have accepted and allowed yourself to be and become, and then we inverted everything of each and every single human being - into themselves.

So - now, all is not in one bubble 'mixing' / 'intertwining' and 'influencing' each other - but each individual human being is within and as their own little bubble - the bubble - the 'egg-shell' that is required to be 'broken', to 'break-free' from their mind reality / world as what they believe and perceive themselves to be. So, you still consist of a conscious, subconscious and unconscious mind - the unconscious mind the manifestation of this entire world as all that each accepted and allowed to exist and manifest, and so, even though each is within their own individual process (which is not pre-programmed or pre-determined) each will face themselves as all of existence as who we are to stand up and take self responsibility to not ever again, accept and allow what we have done unto ourselves and to all others as ourselves.

Understand: That this is not just a process of stopping your mind, but to live words as one as you as who you are within and as oneness and equality of life: The Living word, see the mind is a system, consisting of words - we have separated ourselves from words - and so, we have never actually really lived, you don't live when you just stop the mind, you sit there on your 'royal ass' and do nothing (Buddha's mistake he made, he stopped the mind, but did not 'live' within and as oneness and equality of life as the living word - he did not consider to place knowledge and information into application) - so, this process is about stopping the mind AND living words as one as you within and as oneness and equality of all of life - the amalgamation of life, with life as you - and so live as an example so all may see and realise: They must stop their own mind to live - live life as who we are.

We have had beings asking a similar question - so I'll be giving you quotes of questions and perspectives that may assist further: E-mail received:

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'With all due respect to all. How are we supposed to know that the information being "channeled" is not actually coming from those who are so clever and sly at manipulating and enslaving, and thus designed to mislead us down yet one more path? I think this is a common sense question, considering how everything we've ever been told or taught is in fact a lie or a lie blended with truth. How would we know this information herein to be any thing different? I think this is a critical question... esp. after listening to the history videos re: Anu and his cleverness at manipulating...holly cow. And I would love to hear or read your answer. Thanks for considering a response to this. You videos and messages are endlessly fascinating.'

Perspective:

Quote: 'We're not asking you to 'believe us', or what we're saying is 'true', because otherwise, your trust and your self honesty in application would be separate from you.

The only way you'll be certain is if you yourself place the knowledge and information of self assistance and self support in practical application as you, which you live as you in every moment of every breath, which is the following:

Self honesty in every moment - when a thought, feeling or emotion arise within you - to apply self forgiveness immediately

Self forgiveness

Self corrective application - to live self statements as who you are for that which you have applied forgiveness for - for instance if you did self forgiveness on judging another, comparing yourself to another, you make a statement which you live to not allow judgment or comparison within you again such as: I am equal and one as me - I do not accept and allow separation within me.

Breathing

The 'essence' of Desteni-Universe is to assist and support each one to stop their mind, the mind the very manifestation that has manifested ourselves and this world as ourselves as what we experience ourselves within and as today, then to during this process - amalgamate self as life, be the living word as sound expression of life = no mind, but interdimensional quantum expression as you here on earth within a human physical body as you = this can only be done with no mind, but you as the living word of sound as all as one as equal.

I suggest go through all the material and video's - all of it, apply self honesty and common sense and 'decide' for yourself - the only 'truth' you will ever 'find' is you as who you are as breath in the moment.

So - I cannot answer your question for you - you have to answer it for you, through living self honesty as you and applying unconditionally as is suggested - you have to 'answer' who you are for you, I cannot do this for you.

The only manifestation that is 'sly' / 'manipulating' and 'enslaving' is your own mind of thoughts, feelings and emotions - observe your mind and you will see: You cannot trust it, you cannot trust anything or anyone in this world, this is impossible for it would be separation of you - you will find that all you can trust is you in the moment of breath within and as self honesty as you.'

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'It just dawned on me....it was mentioned that the reincarnation business pre Desteni was all a huge fuck up, to the extent we were all living the same lives over and over and over again. Imagine that!! So no wonder that when i now have to face myself and all my actions and emotions, feelings, thoughts etc in this life then it is compounded from lots of other lives...no wonder it is hard work! This must be the same for all of us... Like Jack said...just to transcend ONE issue or point if you like would take 100.000 lives 'the old way'. Well...the choice is easy...I'd like it over with now thank you very much. No wonder it's like an onion...layer upon layer... All of a sudden I'm not so hard on myself anymore....think we've done pretty good most of us in just a months or so!'

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Quote: 'That's how human beings' experience within the White Light System/Construct was 'laid out' in space and time - through multiple and multiple lives - 'you' would be scattered - both in past lives and in current life and in future life experiences. Where beings would go life after life after life - 'learning apparent lessons', 'paying (Karma) for previous lives' mistakes', 'searching' and seeking for themselves...

So - what we did was the following: We stood within and as human beings - then brought all of them, meaning all of each and every single human beings' past life experiences, current life experiences and also future preprogrammed life experiences, of their current life experience to one singular point within and as human beings: Here.

Therefore - bringing everything of each and every single human being, to one singular 'point' within and as them - which is: Here - in this moment, in this life experience which they are currently within.

This was done to 'allocate' each human being within existence - because 'parts' of human beings were 'scattered' all over existence!

Why do this: Because when we bring all of human beings to one 'point', to one singular 'point', which is here, within and as human beings - you're able to 'find' their current 'allocation' within existence.

This allocation would be: Who and what this human being, currently in this life have accepted and allowed themselves to become as a mind consciousness structural resonance system - because of and together with all the other previous lives and also future pre-programmed life experiences, still to come, which exist within and as their mind consciousness system placement.

Then discernment: Meaning - what is required within and as this being to 'remain' (which is all that they have accepted and allowed themselves to be equal and one with as per mind consciousness systems/constructs which had become the mind consciousness structural resonance system to which they have defined 'who they are' within the system) for the necessity of their process of self revelation and self realisation as who they really are as life.

That which we knew human beings could not handle or 'deal with' - we removed.

See - we removed as much as possible within human beings and left as little as possible, for each and every single human being to transcend as they continue and experience themselves within and during their processes.

Therefore: That which currently remain within human beings is all that was/is necessary for them to transcend, is all that they are indeed able to handle and 'deal with' to assist and support themselves in birthing themselves as life from the physical as who we really are.

And that's why this is and will be each and every single human beings' last life - because all of each and every single human being is here, within them as them as only that which is necessary and required to transcend within and as themselves for self revelation and self realisation as who they really are: To birth themselves as life from the physical to manifest heaven as earth as the expression of who we really are.'

Veno

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